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Old 10-22-2006, 07:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What can money get you? If you had an extra $10,000, only to spend on your caliber what would it be? I spoke with a popular shop up in Atlanta GA, dude said if I came there with $10,000 to spend at his shop he would throw anything in for free. So I'm like what's up with the speed, I want more speed he said okay, I can give ya around 125hp, I'm like cool, think I can get a free paint job, he said, if you dropping the 10K, sure. So, that what I would do, bump my car to almost 280hp, and paint it cherry red

What about you!!!??
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Old 10-22-2006, 11:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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for 125hp from 10 g's isn't really that great IMO, but it's more than most calibers out there!!!


I'ld go with turbo..say $4200

intake, intake manifold, and exhaust $1200

Pistons, connecting rods, rings, valve springs, retainers and guides cams cam gears, say $2600

axels, LSD say $1600

Flash for extras say $399?

I saved $1!!!!

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for 125hp from 10 g's isn't really that great IMO, but it's more than most calibers out there!!!


I'ld go with turbo..say $4200

intake, intake manifold, and exhaust $1200

Pistons, connecting rods, rings, valve springs, retainers and guides cams cam gears, say $2600

axels, LSD say $1600

Flash for extras say $399?

I saved $1!!!!

and probably get about 2 to three times the hp and tourqe, if set up correctly
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Old 10-22-2006, 07:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It's all about air/fuel mixture baby!!!

To bad there's no decent shops where i live
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It's all about air/fuel mixture baby!!!

To bad there's no decent shops where i live
oh yeah!

sucks here too no place to go to get the coolest parts or test them
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for 125hp from 10 g's isn't really that great IMO, but it's more than most calibers out there!!!


I'ld go with turbo..say $4200

intake, intake manifold, and exhaust $1200

Pistons, connecting rods, rings, valve springs, retainers and guides cams cam gears, say $2600

axels, LSD say $1600

Flash for extras say $399?

I saved $1!!!!

so when u say ur gonna go with a turbo, what exactly do u mean? how much will it give you...because of u guys i now understand the lsd term and what it refers to but all the other #$@# is a blur, oh and i know the flash thingy too :P
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Old 10-23-2006, 12:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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so when u say ur gonna go with a turbo, what exactly do u mean? how much will it give you...because of u guys i now understand the lsd term and what it refers to but all the other #$@# is a blur, oh and i know the flash thingy too :P
Well i've been doing some research on HahnsRaceCraft.com since i had the Cobalt SS 2.4L and they seem to know their stuff, although i would trust AMS Performance more but they dont make applications for Cobalts or Calibers.

Stock it wont give out much maybe 6-8 PSI. Thats because the turbo runs off the exhaust of the engine, so since the engine is made and tuned for economic purposes it will give...lets say 60-90 HP well tuned, and intercooled. With internals like pistons, piston rings, valve springs, retainers, guides cams, and cam gears + some axels there realy is no telling how much HP is possible especially with the engine breathing better with the intake, intake manifold, and exhaust. But i would say ....with some high octane (103+) i'ld say 400+ on the conservative side.

Intake, Intake Manifold and Exhaust
Your intake is going to alow more air to come into the intake manifold by using less restrictive and consistantly larger tubbing than your stock air box. Remember air/fuel mixture is about 90% more important than everything else...kidding of course...your intake manifold is like a holding place for air..there are 3 parts. The throttle body manifold, the "cell"(not technical term, just what i call it), and the runners. racers increase power by shorting the runners...those 4 things that look like tubes going into the engine. So now your air is going through the intake a lot easier and entering the throttle body that connects to the intake manifold which "holds" air and puts it into the runners and into the engine. after the air is used you have exhaust fumes that need to get takin out...this is where your exhaust comes in. In N/A(Naturally Aspirated aka not turbo charged or supercharged) there is the exhaust manifold aka header...then there is the down pipe which connects the header to the catalyctic<<spelling<<Converter. The down pipe is the simplest way to free up exhaust but it's also the most ignored because most exhaust systems are from the Cat-Back, not header back. So now you have freed up air moving into the engine and out as well which increases power(minimal) and also helps with gas . If you have a turbo then the turbine uses the exhaust gases to spin 2 tubines. 1 connects to the turbo manifold, which is like a realy small header, and recieves the gases turning those fin looking things. connected to those fins is a rod which turns another set of fins on the other side and sucks in air from an opening and pushes it out to the intercooler, which obviously cools the air. then the pressurized air goes into the engine.

Pistons
stock pistons are made, like most stock internals, for economical reasons(for us or for the maker) so they cant handel high temp stress or friction stress very well...so strong pistons are needed. Most aftermarket pistons are also lighter than stock using light weight matterials. and compression comes into play. Compression is how...violently i guess, the piston...well compresses.As the piston comes back up it compresses the air i believe, am i correct? The higher the compression ie: 12:1 for N/A engines the more power you will recieve. For turbo you might want 9.5:1 though because of the pressurized air.

Valve Springs, guides and retainers
These hold everything together in the head...Valve springs help return valves to their closed position, which is when the pistion is compresing. they have whats called seat pressure, the more power you have the stronger the seat pressure is. Guides and retainers speak for themselves but like i said the more power the strong guides and retainers you need.

Cams and cam gears
Cams are rods with...humps...on them...these control how long the intake and exhaust valves are open and how fast the close. Performance cams open and close faster than OEM ones. which means the valves take in air faster and push it out faster. Finding the right piston compression and cams is crucial. Cam gears pretty much control the timing of the cams adjusting the gears can make or break and engine.

...it's now 1:11 am. and if you dont mind i'ld like to get some sleep. i hope this helped because my hands are killing me...im not going to type for a week
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What can money get you? If you had an extra $10,000, only to spend on your caliber what would it be? I spoke with a popular shop up in Atlanta GA, dude said if I came there with $10,000 to spend at his shop he would throw anything in for free. So I'm like what's up with the speed, I want more speed he said okay, I can give ya around 125hp, I'm like cool, think I can get a free paint job, he said, if you dropping the 10K, sure. So, that what I would do, bump my car to almost 280hp, and paint it cherry red

What about you!!!??
I would have installed, if available of course:

Cold Air Intake
Turbocharger or Supercharger kit
3 inch single exhaust
lowering springs
18 or 19 inch rims
Body Kit with hood
Pair of racing stripes!

Although with added power, I think the AWD system may need to be beefed up. Since the Evo X and Caliber share the same 2.4L engine and platform, do you think it would be possible to convert the AWD system on the Evo X onto a Caliber R/T?
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Although with added power, I think the AWD system may need to be beefed up. Since the Evo X and Caliber share the same 2.4L engine and platform, do you think it would be possible to convert the AWD system on the Evo X onto a Caliber R/T?
very possible just some costume drivetrain...why not the whole powertrain
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ahh, thanks for the info, printed ur last post and gonna keep reading it, so i can store it in the memory bank so i can sound smart later on :P
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