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NJCSRT4 · 11-01-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by turbojosrt4

bolt ons are more for unlocking power rather then giving you power like the ms1, clamp, etc

unlocking power is the same as getting more power...the MS1 just unlocks more from the components you already have by adjusting things like ignition and boost...same as a muffler delete...it just adjusts different things like back pressure and makes it less restrictive.

The problem with these cars is obviously the computers...they are way restrictive and way hard to tune...very complex with formulas and equations and stuff...that I think was part of the reason why they are waiting on the hand held tuner...that and demand...but I think we showed the demand.

turbojosrt4 · 11-01-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NJCSRT4

unlocking power is the same as getting more power...the MS1 just unlocks more from the components you already have by adjusting things like ignition and boost...same as a muffler delete...it just adjusts different things like back pressure and makes it less restrictive.

The problem with these cars is obviously the computers...they are way restrictive and way hard to tune...very complex with formulas and equations and stuff...that I think was part of the reason why they are waiting on the hand held tuner...that and demand...but I think we showed the demand.

i have to disagree ms1 is giving you more boost which = more power
intake + DP is letting the turbo breath better fast air in and out = unlocking power is as not always going to feel it but does help

AtlantaSrt · 11-02-2009, 12:50 AM

without a fic or a clamp.. it is useless once you reach a point.. unless you have a 09 where you can disable it all together, which i'll be seeing if it pulls the throttle when i get stg 1 in a few weeks.

i think the actual limit is 320wtq before the computer really starts to pull power.

turbojosrt4 · 11-02-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaSrt

without a fic or a clamp.. it is useless once you reach a point.. unless you have a 09 where you can disable it all together, which i'll be seeing if it pulls the throttle when i get stg 1 in a few weeks.

i think the actual limit is 320wtq before the computer really starts to pull power.

really, 09 u can disable the torque limits? i wish that was true, also its not all about top power u can make, but the power through out the rpm range

08srt4caliber · 11-02-2009, 07:09 AM

The 09's have the ability to just completely disable the ESP versus the 08's. FYI. No difference in the ecm torque limits.

Or pull fuse 34 if you don't have scan gauge.

AtlantaSrt · 11-02-2009, 08:59 AM

it removes all tq limitations and stability.. it is nothing like the 08.. just fyi.. go on dodge and read the pdf owner's manual before making comments

AtlantaSrt · 11-02-2009, 09:02 AM

page 268

Full Off
This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use
only and should not be used on any public roadways. In
this mode, all TCS and ESP stability features are turned
OFF. To enter the “Full Off” mode, depress and hold the
ESP OFF switch for five seconds while the vehicle is
stopped with the engine running. After five seconds, a
chime will sound, the ESP/TCS Indicator Light will
illuminate, and the ESP OFF message will display in the
vehicle odometer. Press and release the TRIP ODOMETER
button located on the instrument cluster to clear
this message. The “ESP OFF” message may appear in the
Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC). Refer to
“Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC)” in Section
4. To turn ESP ON again, momentarily depress the
ESP OFF switch.
WARNING!
In the ESP “Full Off” mode, the engine torque
reduction and stability features are cancelled. Therefore,
the enhanced vehicle stability offered by ESP is
unavailable.
NOTE: When the ESP is switched OFF, a feature of the
system remains active. This feature controls wheel spin
across an axle quite similarly to a limited slip differential.
If one wheel on an axle is spinning faster than the other,
the system will apply the brake of the spinning wheel
and allow more engine torque to be applied to the wheel
that is not spinning. To improve the vehicle’s traction
when driving with tire chains, or when starting off in
deep snow, sand, or gravel, it may be desirable to switch
to the “Partial Off” mode by momentarily depressing the
ESP OFF switch.
268 STARTING AND OPERATING

i'd like it if people didn't know the answer.. just say so instead of blirting out incorrect information.

08srt4caliber · 11-02-2009, 10:11 AM

Atlanta, trust me the car will still pull throttle/boost if you reach the ECU threshold limit with either stock or MS1. Stock ECU can hit overboost code (too much boost) and MS1 with pull throttle around 15 psi. The overall engine nanny is still there even though your 09 ESP is completely off. Make sense? I think we are talking about two different things here?

Now, traction control, yes you can completely turn it off with the 09. Not the 08 model.

AtlantaSrt · 11-02-2009, 11:22 AM

traction control??? what traction control.. you mean that piss poor excuse to tame the beast... HA HAHA HA HAHA... yeah... doesn't work that well

Malov · 11-02-2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantaSrt

it removes all tq limitations and stability.. it is nothing like the 08.. just fyi.. go on dodge and read the pdf owner's manual before making comments

I highly doubt that is true. otherwise there wouldnt be a point to get the stage 1 ecu when we could get a 09 ecu. If you put a ms1 in your car it wont matter what year it is because the ms1 most definetly will pull your throttle.

11-02-2009, 12:50 AM	#13 (permalink)
AtlantaSrt SRT driver Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 284	without a fic or a clamp.. it is useless once you reach a point.. unless you have a 09 where you can disable it all together, which i'll be seeing if it pulls the throttle when i get stg 1 in a few weeks. i think the actual limit is 320wtq before the computer really starts to pull power. __________________ All Stock 14.0@102.9 I 0-60mph 5.41 Needswings intake and kittyless ex. 13.9@104.2 I 0-60mph 5.37 Stage 1 13.5@110.3 I 0-60 5.17 <so far> evic 5.2 Top speed to date. 164mph 10%car 90%driver , you can mod the car, but it doesn't help nearly as much as modding your driving habbits Needswings C.A.I. Custom Exhaust Rice Plate Stage 1 Crank Pulley... maybe Clamp.. soon enough Injectors.. probably soon Meth.. who knows

11-02-2009, 08:59 AM	#16 (permalink)
AtlantaSrt SRT driver Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 284	it removes all tq limitations and stability.. it is nothing like the 08.. just fyi.. go on dodge and read the pdf owner's manual before making comments __________________ All Stock 14.0@102.9 I 0-60mph 5.41 Needswings intake and kittyless ex. 13.9@104.2 I 0-60mph 5.37 Stage 1 13.5@110.3 I 0-60 5.17 <so far> evic 5.2 Top speed to date. 164mph 10%car 90%driver , you can mod the car, but it doesn't help nearly as much as modding your driving habbits Needswings C.A.I. Custom Exhaust Rice Plate Stage 1 Crank Pulley... maybe Clamp.. soon enough Injectors.. probably soon Meth.. who knows

11-02-2009, 09:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
AtlantaSrt SRT driver Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 284	page 268 Full Off This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use only and should not be used on any public roadways. In this mode, all TCS and ESP stability features are turned OFF. To enter the “Full Off” mode, depress and hold the ESP OFF switch for five seconds while the vehicle is stopped with the engine running. After five seconds, a chime will sound, the ESP/TCS Indicator Light will illuminate, and the ESP OFF message will display in the vehicle odometer. Press and release the TRIP ODOMETER button located on the instrument cluster to clear this message. The “ESP OFF” message may appear in the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC). Refer to “Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC)” in Section 4. To turn ESP ON again, momentarily depress the ESP OFF switch. WARNING! In the ESP “Full Off” mode, the engine torque reduction and stability features are cancelled. Therefore, the enhanced vehicle stability offered by ESP is unavailable. NOTE: When the ESP is switched OFF, a feature of the system remains active. This feature controls wheel spin across an axle quite similarly to a limited slip differential. If one wheel on an axle is spinning faster than the other, the system will apply the brake of the spinning wheel and allow more engine torque to be applied to the wheel that is not spinning. To improve the vehicle’s traction when driving with tire chains, or when starting off in deep snow, sand, or gravel, it may be desirable to switch to the “Partial Off” mode by momentarily depressing the ESP OFF switch. 268 STARTING AND OPERATING i'd like it if people didn't know the answer.. just say so instead of blirting out incorrect information. __________________ All Stock 14.0@102.9 I 0-60mph 5.41 Needswings intake and kittyless ex. 13.9@104.2 I 0-60mph 5.37 Stage 1 13.5@110.3 I 0-60 5.17 <so far> evic 5.2 Top speed to date. 164mph 10%car 90%driver , you can mod the car, but it doesn't help nearly as much as modding your driving habbits Needswings C.A.I. Custom Exhaust Rice Plate Stage 1 Crank Pulley... maybe Clamp.. soon enough Injectors.. probably soon Meth.. who knows

11-02-2009, 10:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
08srt4caliber Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 413	Atlanta, trust me the car will still pull throttle/boost if you reach the ECU threshold limit with either stock or MS1. Stock ECU can hit overboost code (too much boost) and MS1 with pull throttle around 15 psi. The overall engine nanny is still there even though your 09 ESP is completely off. Make sense? I think we are talking about two different things here? Now, traction control, yes you can completely turn it off with the 09. Not the 08 model. Last edited by 08srt4caliber : 11-02-2009 at 10:16 AM.

11-02-2009, 11:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
AtlantaSrt SRT driver Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 284	traction control??? what traction control.. you mean that piss poor excuse to tame the beast... HA HAHA HA HAHA... yeah... doesn't work that well __________________ All Stock 14.0@102.9 I 0-60mph 5.41 Needswings intake and kittyless ex. 13.9@104.2 I 0-60mph 5.37 Stage 1 13.5@110.3 I 0-60 5.17 <so far> evic 5.2 Top speed to date. 164mph 10%car 90%driver , you can mod the car, but it doesn't help nearly as much as modding your driving habbits Needswings C.A.I. Custom Exhaust Rice Plate Stage 1 Crank Pulley... maybe Clamp.. soon enough Injectors.. probably soon Meth.. who knows

11-02-2009, 07:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
08srt4caliber Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 413	The 09's have the ability to just completely disable the ESP versus the 08's. FYI. No difference in the ecm torque limits. Or pull fuse 34 if you don't have scan gauge.

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